Curse

Symbol · Dec 20, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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All bark and no bite. That's how most of you people are, but I can understand you not wanting screenshots of a miserable death to the supposedly gimp elementalist being posted on guru.

O_o.

I'm not the one afraid to post a build. And since when was this an invitation to a duel? You claimed that your build would "kill it in a few seconds" (it being some arbitrary character). Put up or shut up. What skills are you using to accomplish this feat?

Yet another poster who thinks that their l33tsauce duelling build is somehow relevant to a balance discussion-par for the course when dealing with the clueless I suppose.

The hardest spike that elementalists have access to is shatterstone/vapor blade, and that pales in comparison to a warrior using eviscerate/executioner's/crit chop. Let's not even talk dps, because that's not even a constest without SF.

Xpl0iter · Dec 20, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

It all boils down to SF, doesn't it?

JimmyDean · Dec 20, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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It's been a while since eles are known for their pathetic dmg.

Unless, would u mind sharing ur silly ideas of how u put two and two together to justify the ele dmg caused by any ele skill beside SF?

As symbol suggested, go and have a look at that thread, spend some time and then join us back and give us your views. ^_^

As far as You go Dutch, That build has no potential.
Any thing which is based on 4 skills set specifically to AID your energy and keeping you alive, the other 4 is all your left with.

Your invincible build only needs a rend enchantment and a backfire. You can imagine the rest.

At this point, Mesmers can mess with any class (Given that they are build to counter it) and Eles are not.
The armour affect is all that makes such huge difference.
Using OB flame to kill one target, then sit tight until your exhaustion wears off.
What is the point of dual attuments when exhaustion can choke u ?
Use your elite for some better purposes.

Please, spare me the agony of seeing you playing. You testing and making it makes no difference. Ask other people's opinion before you call something invincible.

Take it against a mesmer and see how many interupts you get while casting OB Flame. A 2 second cast used for damage dealing while generating exhaustion that can be interupted without an issue. Bravo My friend, Bravo.

OK. I've read the thread you were talking about, and it has some good points. But damage per minute isn't all that matters. While that warrior is auto-swinging and using attack skills, doing his clearly "godly" damage over time, I'm hitting another person for over 600 damage in right around 7 seconds on my own every 15 seconds or around every 8 seconds with QZ. Granted, I can't keep that pace up for very long, but it doesnt matter if the targets are dead. Pressure has its place, but so does straight up killing people.

BTW, glyph of concentration works very nicely vs interupts

JimmyDean · Dec 20, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Symbol

O_o.

I'm not the one afraid to post a build. And since when was this an invitation to a duel? You claimed that your build would "kill it in a few seconds" (it being some arbitrary character). Put up or shut up. What skills are you using to accomplish this feat?

Yet another poster who thinks that their l33tsauce duelling build is somehow relevant to a balance discussion-par for the course when dealing with the clueless I suppose.

The hardest spike that elementalists have access to is shatterstone/vapor blade, and that pales in comparison to a warrior using eviscerate/executioner's/crit chop. Let's not even talk dps, because that's not even a constest without SF.

As I've already said, you can see the skills in game when youre lying dead on the ground contemplating how you could have been killed by a gimp elementalist.

-.- · Dec 20, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Post the damn build. Think of it as a way to boost your E-penis without having to open Guild Wars.

Symbol · Dec 20, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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As I've already said, you can see the skills in game when youre lying dead on the ground contemplating how you could have been killed by a gimp elementalist.

I'm sure you can kill something. The question is, can you do it better than the alternatives available. This will be my last post addressed to you until you contribute something of substance.

For those watching at home, here is an example of warrior spike damage:

Assuming that average axe hit at 16 mastery is ~36 damage.

Eviscerate: 169 damage (inc DW)
Executioner's: 78 damage
Crit Chop: 67 damage

314 damage. 1.83665 seconds from the start of the first swing to the end of the last. (crit chop cancels the recoil of the previous attack).

That is the gold standard for spiking. If you're going to claim that elementalists have "incredible (spike) damage" you have to be able to at least come close to this.

JimmyDean · Dec 20, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by -.-

Post the damn build. Think of it as a way to boost your E-penis without having to open Guild Wars.

No thanks. The opinions of narrow-minded critics dont sway me. TY though

Dutch Masterr · Dec 20, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

searing flames is the only strong skill an elementalist has to offer? what about lightning orb, lightning hammer, blinding surge, mark of rodgort, mind burn, sandstorm, obsidian flame and many others? a mesmer with backfire and interupts will only kill my earth build? the same damn build will reck the searing flames build too just as easily...and btw, YOU CANNOT BE PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING HAS ITS COUNTERS!

-.- · Dec 20, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by JimmyDean

No thanks. The opinions of narrow-minded critics dont sway me. TY though

Scared about a little critic then? Scared ass.

Symbol · Dec 20, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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searing flames is the only strong skill an elementalist has to offer?

The only strong pressure skill yes.

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what about lightning orb

Decent spike, too unreliable to be much better than that.

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lightning hammer

Utter shit.

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blinding surge

Great utility skill.

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mark of rodgort

Narrow skill, some ok applications in the right build.

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, mind burn

Bad, in small battles outside of RA the KD from mind shock is much better than the burning from burn since burning is easily removed (mending touch/sig malice ftw). In large battles it sucks thanks to exhaustion.

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, sandstorm

AoE DoT, enough said.

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obsidian flame

Good spike skill that's pretty much it.

JimmyDean · Dec 20, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by -.-

Scared about a little critic then? Scared ass.

Ouch. Please, no more! The shame! It's unbearable!

-.- · Dec 20, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Then post the build then.

Oh, wait. You never had one, just wanted to troll around.

JimmyDean · Dec 20, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by -.-

Then post the build then.

Sorry, my bad, I forgot...

/sarcasm off

Better?

-.- · Dec 20, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Franco Power · Dec 20, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr

its funny how you all think the ele sucked before searing flames...those of you saying how i suck and dont know the mechanics of the game, you must be the ones who suck for saying eles used to be able to do no damage. even before searing flames, they were extremley powerul..*air spiker*...you all have to following strict guidelines and actually experiment with some builds...the build i used to use, but recently stopped using since it became too common, is this--

16 earth magic, 8 earth prayers, 13 energy storage.....elemental attunement, earth attunement, mystic regeneration, stoneflesh aura, obsidian flame, ebon hawk, stoning, optional

the build doesnt suck and dont say it does since ive tested it extensivley and with extreme success against all sorts of builds...nearly invincible with medium-high damage...cover important enchants with mystic regen and aura of restoration.

sorry but that build does suck, infact most of the builds you post do suck... i think you should leave build making to more experienced people no offense

Apok Omen · Dec 20, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Okay, let's please stop the flaming. Let's get down to the topic, please.

SF is the ONLY skill an ele has for constant pressure. Short cast time and short recharge is what ele's NEED. They don't care about the 15 energy cost, since they have a whole bar to help against that.

Also, this in no way makes them over-powered. It's about time ele's are no longer running flags and HP spamming, but in the frontlines, doing reasonable damage. very little skills have burning-lengthening conditions. Plus, there a TONS of counters against SF; people who complain and make ANET nerf things just aren't smart enough to figure it out for themselves since they are so used to having better people make builds for them.

And ever since NF came, tons of versatality has been running around. My monk has Frigid Armor in his bar, at 6 water. That's all he needs to counter the pressure going around: not just SF, but physical spikes as well. Low energy, and I'm used to casting 2 second skills (Sig of Dev, Aegis...)

So, ANET, pleeeeease do not nerf SF; it's the only thing ele's have that make them powerful.

alarico511 · Dec 20, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Please A-net dont listen to the people that want to nerf SF, isnt ether prodigy poor enough u want searing flame to join the family? Read the manualscrip, ele are suppose to do damamge, and do we do damage no, beacuse pvp cry baby go crying to Anet about Ele are doing what they are suppose to do.

Oh great sandstorm is next

JimmyDean · Dec 20, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Apok Omen

Okay, let's please stop the flaming. Let's get down to the topic, please.

SF is the ONLY skill an ele has for constant pressure. Short cast time and short recharge is what ele's NEED. They don't care about the 15 energy cost, since they have a whole bar to help against that.

Also, this in no way makes them over-powered. It's about time ele's are no longer running flags and HP spamming, but in the frontlines, doing reasonable damage. very little skills have burning-lengthening conditions. Plus, there a TONS of counters against SF; people who complain and make ANET nerf things just aren't smart enough to figure it out for themselves since they are so used to having better people make builds for them.

And ever since NF came, tons of versatality has been running around. My monk has Frigid Armor in his bar, at 6 water. That's all he needs to counter the pressure going around: not just SF, but physical spikes as well. Low energy, and I'm used to casting 2 second skills (Sig of Dev, Aegis...)

So, ANET, pleeeeease do not nerf SF; it's the only thing ele's have that make them powerful.

spamming burning and 119 damage, AoE, for the entire match isnt overpowered? Nothing in the game can compare to its damage output and pressure.

Symbol · Dec 20, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

A dragon slasher outputs higher peak single target dps, and has a (relative to the ele) strong spike to make up for the lack of AoE and range. Said melee character also doesn't rely on extremely fragile energy management to keep the damage coming in, isn't nearly as vulnerable to skill shutdown, isn't hurt nearly as much by RoF, and doesn't have paper armor. Let's not even talk about RaO thumpers. Your statement that "nothing is comparable" is flat out wrong.

The problem (besides your trollery) is that you have no idea what constitutes a standard for comparison. You don't understand what the other professions are capable of-so you just quote some numbers and claim by fiat that it's overpowered.

JimmyDean · Dec 20, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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1)A dragon slasher outputs higher peak single target dps, and has a (relative to the ele) strong spike to make up for the lack of AoE and range. 2)Said melee character also doesn't rely on extremely fragile energy management to keep the damage coming in, 3)isn't nearly as vulnerable to skill shutdown, 4)isn't hurt nearly as much by RoF, and doesn't have paper armor. Let's not even talk about RaO thumpers. 5)Your statement that "nothing is comparable" is flat out wrong.

The problem (6)besides your trollery) is that you have no idea what constitutes a standard for comparison. 7)You don't understand what the other professions are capable of-so you just quote some numbers and claim by fiat that it's overpowered.

1) Higher single target dps still can't compare to hitting two or 3 people with burning and 119 damage.
2) Fragile energy management (I assume you mean attunement) isn't nearly as bad as the easily shut down warrior (blind, a plethora of hexes and protective enchantments, stances, and simple kiting).
3) Diversion on dslash will hurt that warrior just as much as diversion will hurt the ele.
4) Burning is not affected by RoF, and 119 damage will overpower RoF, while dslash will not.
5) Based on 1-4, I would have to disagree.
6) Since when is disagreeing with you considered "trollery"?
7) I have a level 20 PvE char for every proffesion that I regularly play in PvP and PvE. I've unlocked nearly every skill and GvG every night. I've been playing for 18 months and have over 3,100 hours. Not much more to say on that point.

So, uh...yeah. Do you have any valid points?